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	<title>Comments on: The Katrina flood was a man-made disaster, part XXIII</title>
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		<title>By: Kirk M. Steen</title>
		<link>http://johnmcquaid.com/2009/08/16/the-katrina-flood-was-a-man-made-disaster-part-xxiii/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk M. Steen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mr. Quaid for the sounding.  Even if it looks like sand being pushed against the tide, efforts like yours and Sany Rosenthal&#039;s are invaluable.

As a high school teacher I found it part of my civic responsibility to expose my students to many of the fine investigative articles done by the &quot;Times-Picayune&quot; during that first year after Katrina.  My students and I also read all of the first-published books on Katrina issued beginning in the spring after the storm. We also read one published long before and reissued after Katrina, Ted Steinberg&#039;s &quot;Acts of God: The Unnatural History of Natural Disaster in America.&quot; 

I exposed my students to the fifteen-year-long effort from key individuals to inform our local public and the government of the risks that coastal errosion and levee degredation repersented.  I carefully stressed that much of these efforts consisted of pleas to Washington to beef-up our flood protection system which fell on deaf ears due to neoliberalism&#039;s successful efforts to undo the New Deal. The degredation of progressive taxation has not been painless for most Americans.  Perhaps we in south Louisiana have suffered the most from this shift in policy. The crop of students on whom I spent my own efforts are all either just out of college or in their final years of higher education.  Knowing that Americans&#039; political memories are typically two years in length, I wonder what--if anything--has stuck.

Recently finishing Thomas Frank&#039;s thorough analysis of how the right rules in the USA, &quot;The Wrecking Crew,&quot; I must comment that much of what I and my students read about four years ago is not simply inept, benign bungling. It all had a synister side.  I recommend the reading of &quot;Acts of God&quot; and &quot;The Wrecking Crew&quot; as companion pieces to anyone desiring a broad and deep view of what we in south Louisiana have been through and continue to deal with.  Our experiences have implications for the rest of the nation.

Finally, these two books, because they are both written by trained historians, provide analysis founded in careful documentation and strong, well articulated argument.  Even in amnesiac culture the historical point of view has power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mr. Quaid for the sounding.  Even if it looks like sand being pushed against the tide, efforts like yours and Sany Rosenthal&#8217;s are invaluable.</p>
<p>As a high school teacher I found it part of my civic responsibility to expose my students to many of the fine investigative articles done by the &#8220;Times-Picayune&#8221; during that first year after Katrina.  My students and I also read all of the first-published books on Katrina issued beginning in the spring after the storm. We also read one published long before and reissued after Katrina, Ted Steinberg&#8217;s &#8220;Acts of God: The Unnatural History of Natural Disaster in America.&#8221; </p>
<p>I exposed my students to the fifteen-year-long effort from key individuals to inform our local public and the government of the risks that coastal errosion and levee degredation repersented.  I carefully stressed that much of these efforts consisted of pleas to Washington to beef-up our flood protection system which fell on deaf ears due to neoliberalism&#8217;s successful efforts to undo the New Deal. The degredation of progressive taxation has not been painless for most Americans.  Perhaps we in south Louisiana have suffered the most from this shift in policy. The crop of students on whom I spent my own efforts are all either just out of college or in their final years of higher education.  Knowing that Americans&#8217; political memories are typically two years in length, I wonder what&#8211;if anything&#8211;has stuck.</p>
<p>Recently finishing Thomas Frank&#8217;s thorough analysis of how the right rules in the USA, &#8220;The Wrecking Crew,&#8221; I must comment that much of what I and my students read about four years ago is not simply inept, benign bungling. It all had a synister side.  I recommend the reading of &#8220;Acts of God&#8221; and &#8220;The Wrecking Crew&#8221; as companion pieces to anyone desiring a broad and deep view of what we in south Louisiana have been through and continue to deal with.  Our experiences have implications for the rest of the nation.</p>
<p>Finally, these two books, because they are both written by trained historians, provide analysis founded in careful documentation and strong, well articulated argument.  Even in amnesiac culture the historical point of view has power.</p>
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		<title>By: Shouldn&#8217;t Miami know &#8217;bout hurricanes? &#171; On Levee Failures &#38; a Weather Event</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shouldn&#8217;t Miami know &#8217;bout hurricanes? &#171; On Levee Failures &#38; a Weather Event</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: New York Times issues correction to reporter&#8217;s description of New Orleans&#8217; flooding &#124; Levees.Org</title>
		<link>http://johnmcquaid.com/2009/08/16/the-katrina-flood-was-a-man-made-disaster-part-xxiii/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>New York Times issues correction to reporter&#8217;s description of New Orleans&#8217; flooding &#124; Levees.Org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] two days later, noted author John McQuaid, co-author of Path of Destruction joined in the rollicking discussion. “This is not a minor semantic point,” he correctly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sandy Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://johnmcquaid.com/2009/08/16/the-katrina-flood-was-a-man-made-disaster-part-xxiii/#comment-683</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems it wasn&#039;t Mr. Egan who issued the correction.  The correction appears to be by the NYTimes&#039; book review section&#039;s editor.  

I would like to hear from Mr. Egan himself.  I feel I owe him a deserved opportunity to explain his story on why he wrote the events as he first presented them.  I feel I owe him that.  

Sandy Rosenthal, wife, mother, New Orleans resident and founder of Levees.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems it wasn&#8217;t Mr. Egan who issued the correction.  The correction appears to be by the NYTimes&#8217; book review section&#8217;s editor.  </p>
<p>I would like to hear from Mr. Egan himself.  I feel I owe him a deserved opportunity to explain his story on why he wrote the events as he first presented them.  I feel I owe him that.  </p>
<p>Sandy Rosenthal, wife, mother, New Orleans resident and founder of Levees.org</p>
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		<title>By: Correcting the record on Katrina &#171; John McQuaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Correcting the record on Katrina &#171; John McQuaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] uptake this week: on Sunday, the New York Times Book Review corrected (scroll to the bottom) those factual errors in Timothy Egan&#8217;s review of &#8220;Zeitoun&#8221; by Dave Eggers. Instead of incorrectly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] uptake this week: on Sunday, the New York Times Book Review corrected (scroll to the bottom) those factual errors in Timothy Egan&#8217;s review of &#8220;Zeitoun&#8221; by Dave Eggers. Instead of incorrectly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: crescentcityray</title>
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		<dc:creator>crescentcityray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea you right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea you right.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorj2u</title>
		<link>http://johnmcquaid.com/2009/08/16/the-katrina-flood-was-a-man-made-disaster-part-xxiii/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorj2u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn&#039;t listen then and they won&#039;t listen now, but I think it is great that the people of New Orleans continue the fight for the truth.  One day the truth will win out.  Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t listen then and they won&#8217;t listen now, but I think it is great that the people of New Orleans continue the fight for the truth.  One day the truth will win out.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: crescentcityray</title>
		<link>http://johnmcquaid.com/2009/08/16/the-katrina-flood-was-a-man-made-disaster-part-xxiii/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>crescentcityray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my comment on the correction: The only flooding of New Orleans that can be legitimately blamed on overtopping were levees and floodwalls east of the inner harbor navigation canal, which was extremely tragic, but that is not the heart of the city where the majority of losses occurred.

And, the overtopping which we are referring to, would have introduced a limited amount of water into those flood zones, but the corps designs levees to breach when overtopped (isn&#039;t that absurd) and the result was an infinite amount of water in New Orleans East, The Lower Ninth Ward and St. Bernard.

These things are often very difficult for outsiders to understand or even insiders without a good understanding of relevant engineering. -especially when that person has ingrained existing opinions on mother nature, natural disasters, land below sea level or the almighty genius of all &#039;engineers&#039; and the mythical role of politicians in our disaster. There really is no valid excuse for these structures&#039; failures. This is simply an example of how the Corps does their work without consideration of common sense or lives or the welfare of citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my comment on the correction: The only flooding of New Orleans that can be legitimately blamed on overtopping were levees and floodwalls east of the inner harbor navigation canal, which was extremely tragic, but that is not the heart of the city where the majority of losses occurred.</p>
<p>And, the overtopping which we are referring to, would have introduced a limited amount of water into those flood zones, but the corps designs levees to breach when overtopped (isn&#8217;t that absurd) and the result was an infinite amount of water in New Orleans East, The Lower Ninth Ward and St. Bernard.</p>
<p>These things are often very difficult for outsiders to understand or even insiders without a good understanding of relevant engineering. -especially when that person has ingrained existing opinions on mother nature, natural disasters, land below sea level or the almighty genius of all &#8216;engineers&#8217; and the mythical role of politicians in our disaster. There really is no valid excuse for these structures&#8217; failures. This is simply an example of how the Corps does their work without consideration of common sense or lives or the welfare of citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles McElwain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles McElwain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that the Timothy Egan of the NYTimes has added a correction, dated 9/06/09 to the review, which makes John&#039;s points:

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/books/review/Egan-t.html?_r=1

  Correction: September 6, 2009
  A review on Aug. 16 about “Zeitoun,” Dave
  Eggers’s account of the experiences of a
  New Orleans contractor, Abdulrahman
  Zeitoun, during and after Hurricane Katrina
  in 2005, referred imprecisely to some 
  aspects of the storm. While there were 
  strong winds and heavy rain at Zeitoun’s 
  house on the evening of Aug. 28, the 
  hurricane didn’t “hit” on that date; it 
  made landfall in Louisiana in the early 
  hours of Aug. 29. And while Katrina was at
  one point a Category 5 storm, by the time 
  of landfall, it was Category 3.

  The review also referred incompletely to 
  the subsequent flooding of New Orleans. 
  While some of it was indeed the direct 
  result of overtopping of the levees, a 
  larger portion was due to their structural 
  failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the Timothy Egan of the NYTimes has added a correction, dated 9/06/09 to the review, which makes John&#8217;s points:</p>
<p>This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/books/review/Egan-t.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/books/review/Egan-t.html?_r=1</a></p>
<p>  Correction: September 6, 2009<br />
  A review on Aug. 16 about “Zeitoun,” Dave<br />
  Eggers’s account of the experiences of a<br />
  New Orleans contractor, Abdulrahman<br />
  Zeitoun, during and after Hurricane Katrina<br />
  in 2005, referred imprecisely to some<br />
  aspects of the storm. While there were<br />
  strong winds and heavy rain at Zeitoun’s<br />
  house on the evening of Aug. 28, the<br />
  hurricane didn’t “hit” on that date; it<br />
  made landfall in Louisiana in the early<br />
  hours of Aug. 29. And while Katrina was at<br />
  one point a Category 5 storm, by the time<br />
  of landfall, it was Category 3.</p>
<p>  The review also referred incompletely to<br />
  the subsequent flooding of New Orleans.<br />
  While some of it was indeed the direct<br />
  result of overtopping of the levees, a<br />
  larger portion was due to their structural<br />
  failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i read a lot of your excellent pieces before on the warings on what would happen long before 2005.
The pump was not invented in 2005.
Why the floodgates on 17th Street Canal were not put in back in the 80&#039;s, is a tragic story, all by itself, going back  20 years, before 2005.
Keep up the good work, John.
Katrian was a natual disaster, but Lake Orleans in 2005 was a man made disaster, and many know that.
Will any lessons be learned..?
Will they ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read a lot of your excellent pieces before on the warings on what would happen long before 2005.<br />
The pump was not invented in 2005.<br />
Why the floodgates on 17th Street Canal were not put in back in the 80&#8217;s, is a tragic story, all by itself, going back  20 years, before 2005.<br />
Keep up the good work, John.<br />
Katrian was a natual disaster, but Lake Orleans in 2005 was a man made disaster, and many know that.<br />
Will any lessons be learned..?<br />
Will they ???</p>
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